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Me.. waging war on the stupid people;

You fuckers are mind numbingly brazen in not answering the damn question.

RWG sorta did. He wants the Muslims to evolve their society to be more liberal. Yay. Total agreement there. Everything I'm reading here seems to indicate that your idea for getting there is to wage war on them, and kill as many as possible. Am I misstating your position?

In fact, in another thread, JJ wants to nuke Iran in order to encourage them to evolve their society into a more peaceful, liberal democracy.

You fuckers are insane.

The way you achieve that goal is - you realize that killing "terrorists" does not reduce terrorism, nor does it mean there are less terrorists in the world. You realize that the less violence there is all around, the better off conditions will be - and it can be done while maintaining a strong self defense.

Next, you reach out in dialog - ask what their issues are, act like you give a fuck about their well being. While you're doing that, you subvert their populations with "western media". The more their people know about how great liberal democracy is, the more they will want it, and the more pressure will be exerted on their leaders.

Next, you realize that Rome wasn't built in a day. It takes time to change a culture, and it's not going to happen over night. Iraq is proof of that. There will be peaks and valleys in the process, but you realize that right now, the direction everything is headed is leading to nothing but more warfare and more dead bodies. Turn the corner and head in the other direction where it gets a little better all the time, and not worse.

Next, reduce the influence of fundamentalist religion in the Islamic world by reducing fundamentalist religion in your own country. Western European countries have done a fantastic job of reducing the influence of fundis, whereas the United States has not because we elected a fundamentalist rapture Christian who thinks God talks to him.

Once the likes of Pat Robertson have no voice in this nation, we reduce the influence of the mullahs in the Arab world. And that's what this is all about. Everything that is happening is resulting from the mullahs trying to expand their own power base. They want theocracy, much like the fundis in the US. They know that if they enflame the situation, and excite their followers to violence, that's good for them.

So - we have very different viewpoints of how we encourage the Arab world to adopt more western style liberal democracy. You want violence, death and destruction, because you watched too many damn Hollywood war movies and you are filled with testosterone driven rage resulting in this weird pre-occupation with weapons of death. You think that the people we kill will finally see the errors of their ways and be more like us - their killers. And, you have a copy of Platoon on DVD, and watch it at least once a week and think it would have been really cool to be in Vietnam and kill some gooks.

Liberals on the other hand, have a different plan that doesn't involve dropping nuclear weapons on hundreds of thousands of living, breathing, human beings.

And that, in a nutshell (so to speak), is why I think you people are out of your fucking minds.