Re-Engaging the Loon Brigade

Oh my.. something reasonably rational... or at least grammatically correct.

Jennifer has left a new comment on your post "Engaging the Loon Brigade":

Sorry for the delay in responding, I'm sure you were waiting for my every word. But my family comes first, and you'll know what I'm talking about if you looked on my blog.

Anyway, in response to the question of what was so funny, it was the entire post. You went on and on and on taking every little thing said and trying to refute it. It just struck me funny that you went so overboard because of a few comments. It just seemed rather childish to me to dedicate a whole post to counter other's comments. Besides the one time that you seriously pissed me off, I don't post about other people's blogs. I write about how I feel about a certain subject rather than other's opinions.

I wonder what the deal is with the loon brigade criticizing people's style and content? Doug's constantly accuses me of not having "original" content, despite the fact that I have a massive amount of commentary that is not related to what somebody else wrote.

It seems "childish" to you, Jennifer, to do what a great many very high profile bloggers do on a regular basis? I'm being "childish" because I do not model my blog after yours and write in your style?

That's such a classic example of conservative finger pointing, and fixation on styles that are different than their own.

I don't know how many times and ways I have to explain this to really fucking stupid people.. but part of the motivation of my blog is to demonstrate the differences between "liberals" and "conservatives" in order to promote the superiority of liberalism, and a great way to do that is to highlight the writings of a conservative and make my point by directly arguing against it. I realize that I'm not being particularly fair by always using Doug and some of his Loon Brigade, because he's really a shitty writer and has super extreme points of view. There wouldn't be as much contrast if I highlighted a conservative that wasn't completely fucking insane.

Conservatives have such a twisted sense of persuasive writing that they find it odd to debate point for point. They think it's weird that I copy/paste their writing to further my arguments, instead of simply paraphrasing like Doug does. There really isn't any other way to explain it. It's a logical defect that is so common with them.

Secondly, the Hillary scenario. No I would not like it. I would probably have the same arguements that you have regarding the Iraq war.

Then why do you say NOTHING when Doug, and other loons, continually accuse us of being "anti-American, "anti-military", and "traitors"? Isn't that the most vile thing a person could be accused of? But instead of saying a single fucking word about that, you (and other loons) get bent about my "insults"?

How totally and completely intellectually bankrupt you are.

I have no problem with you not liking the war. Hell, right now, I don't like the war. But that's where we differ. In my opinion when we are over here protesting, it does hurt the soldiers morale. How would you feel if you went to work and people protested everything you are doing. They made light of all your sacrifices.

Fuck you, you lying fuck. Nobody is "making light" of the soldiers. That's certainly not my point of view, nor of any liberal I've talked to, read, or have any sort of awareness.

Why would you lie like that? I really am curious what makes you do it. Doug is probably the biggest liar I've ever seen in political blogging, and I really do want to know why that is. What drives you loons to continually mischaracterize the point of view of liberals? What is behind that compulsion you have to be so dishonest? I keep asking, but nobody can answer that question for me - beyond the obvious. You're just another cheap propagandist, making completely unsubstantiated arguments.

It completely boggles the imagination that you can believe that we should not be "protesting" over concerns for military morale. That's so fascist it's unbelievable.

Dan said it well,

Dan said...
Willfull ignorance as Jennifer describes is not only the death of those soldiers, but the death of democracy. You espose democrazy ( I misstyped that at first, but I think I like it) and all it embraces EXCEPT the ability of those governed to question the actions of their government. You fail to understand the very fundamentals of what you want others to die for. I feel sorry for you.

The weird thing is that she can't understand that. That's part of the "conservative" personality trait. It's completely impossible for them to understand what that means.

As for how I would feel if people were protesting what I do for a living, it's pretty simple.. and again it's shocking in the extreme that Jennifer doesn't understand this. If I believed in what I was doing, I couldn't care less what anybody else thought. I'm not an approval seeking type of person. It clearly is a personality trait of conservatives to need that approving authoritarian figure, so I understand why Jennifer would think that I'm odd to not be bothered in the slightest.

I would also point out that I would listen to the arguments of those that were protesting my work, and if they had points, I might change what I was doing.

Back to Jennifer;

The soldiers are out there doing a job, and too often a thankless one. Do I want them home? Yes! Do I think that the war was handled badly, Yes! But to just pull out now would leave Iraq vulnerable to terrorists. We could debate the war till the cows come home, but the fact is that we are there, period. And I am not going to preach to you about what we should or should not do at this point, because quite frankly, I don't know. I never claimed to know.

How ironic that she says she doesn't know what to do, but somehow thinks she's qualified to make the judgement that "pull(ing) out now would leave Iraq vulnerable to terrorists". It makes me crazy that these simple concepts never occur to them.

A couple things for you to consider Jennifer. Occupations have never succeeded. They have never settled civil strife. They have never stopped civil wars. It's also pretty obvious that whether our military is in Iraq or not, what is going to happen is going to happen. Unless you commit a million+ soldiers, what we're doing is simply providing security pockets.

It's been how long now? Four and a half years? When are you going to find that magic pony that makes everything okay there? When? Jennifer thinks that because we broke it, we have to fix it, but what if it can't be fixed by our military? Isn't it immoral to have our military there if there is no effect?

Whatever you may think of me, I have never called you a traitor and do not think of you as one. Now Jane Fonda is a different story altogether, but I won't get into that now. You have every right to your opinion as much we do and although I cringe at the way you express it, I don't deny your right to do so.

I've already addressed the "traitor" thing. I cringe at the way you "express" things also - just like Doug, with zero substance. I may say "fuck" a lot, but I damn well back up my arguments.

I cringe at the way you express your points, and I cringe at the way Doug does it.. and Phil is fucking insane, and the rapture freaks make me cringe.. and Paul Courtier can't formulate a coherent and grammatically correct sentence. At least you seem to understand the rules of the language and I can understand what you're saying.. Kudos for that one.. it's an uncommon trait on the right.

Do you support the troops? Well, that is a judgement call depending on what your definition of it is. In my opinion (which I know you think so highly of)LOL, supporting the troops means, letting them know they are supported with cards, letters, care packages, messages, etc not by just saying you want them home. I want them home too. It tears me up inside when I hear of their deaths. But while they are there, they need to know that their country supports them. And hey if you feel the need to get your point across by name calling then be my guest. I'll just choose not to read it. That's simple enough. I'll let you play that game with all the others.

Again, who doesn't "support the troops"? I don't know anybody who does not. You conflate "supporting the troops" with "supporting the war". Again, it's intellectually bankrupt that you can't understand the difference.

Read my blog, or not.. your choice. You came here, and you commented, and what you write on the internet is fair game for somebody else to make you look like a moron if they want to. I'm sorry you're so offended by the "name calling". You happen to be one of those people that are so stupid you can't see the forest for the trees. Style means more to you than substance, and again (I know I say this a lot), it is a defining trait of conservatives.

Oh.. My.. God.. He said a vulgar word!!!!111 I cannot grasp the concept or point of any of the other words there because he's an immoral CUSSER!!!1

Fucking insane people if you ask me. It's a word. Get over it and yourself.

I know you could care less what I think, but I will say this.I am honest to enough to admit where credit is due and although I may not like your language and I definitely don't agree with you on most things, your comments are well thought out. You do your research and between the insults you throw at us, your comments are knowledable and you are able to back up your statements with facts. I respect that as a writer and a reader.
Posted by Jennifer to The Infidel Express at 11:10 AM

Well, thank you. I must admit to being astonished that one of the Loon Brigade would write that..

Again, I completely understand that some people can't get beyond style or language. I'd tell them to grow the fuck up, but really it's a condition of your upbringing and is also genetic. I shit you not.. being conservative or liberal is heavily influenced by the construction of our brains. It's like I'm really good at logic (as a professional engineer) because of the way my brain works, versus somebody who might be a painter or such. We're just wired differently. Conservatives cannot accept it any more than they can accept gay people - despite the logical abortion of thought that it takes to come to their conclusions. You're just not capable of doing it.

However, I will say that even acknowledging the work I put into this is unusual. I do put a tremendous amount of effort into making my arguments superior to yours, or Doug's, or the Loon Brigade. What I'd enjoy, and what none of you fuckers will do, is debate me on point. I've asked Doug numerous times. He refuses to quote me and point out why I'm wrong. He just says I'm wrong. Even some of my other readers say they like reading my blog, but they don't agree with me, but they can't explain why.

I am more than willing to explain why your point of view is wrong, and substantiate it. The loons simply cannot deal with that, so I'm left just quoting their writing and arguing against it.. and that's enough for me. I enjoy it.

Oh.. by the way.. Doug banned me again on his blog for simply pointing out that yet another factual assertion of his was wrong. What a lying coward.