We call upon the American people to oppose sending more of their sons to Iraq so that they will not be flown back in coffins - Shiite cleric Muqtada al-SadrFunny how the "enemy" has the correct viewpoint, and the President of the United States is horribly wrong. Well, it's not really funny. It's deadly and pathetic.
Lets think about it, shall we?
What is "winning" in Iraq? Well, "winning" would obviously be to accomplish what we set out to do. So, what were the justifications for starting the war? Put asside whether or not the justifications turned out to be complete bullshit for a moment.
Then; Iraq had weapons of mass destruction that threatened us. They had chemical, biological and nuclear weapons that could be used on American citizens in the United States.
Now; Iraq has no WMD, and has no means of attacking the United States with WMD.
Then; Iraq sponsored al-Qaeda's attack on 9/11. Therefore, we must attack Iraq and destroy al-Qaeda there.
Now; Iraq had no involvement in 9/11 what-so-ever, and al-Qaeda is "small and probably not that important", and really has nothing to do with Ossama Bin Laden in any case.
Then; Saddam Hussein is a bad man and needs to be overthrown.
Now; Saddam Hussein is dead, along with his children.
So, what does that mean? YaY! We won! We won!
Seriously.. fucking declare victory and get the hell out.
Does anybody really give a shit what happens in Iraq now? The various sects in Iraq are going to fight each other regardless of what anyone else does, and there is no real American interest in having troops there. All it's going to do is create is more dead Americans. al-Sadr is absolutely correct about that. Unfortunately, the right wingers simply see staying as winning, and leaving as losing. That's exactly what their argument comes down to.
Iraq belongs to Iraq. Let them sink or swim on their own.
6 comments:
Victory is an Iraq capable of protecting its own people and borders.
Maybe I would allow one of your comments to get through if you were not insulting me on a constant basis, but than again why would a lib show respect?
You say I am full of hate, but if I showed everyone your comments they would see that plain truth, that is is you, not I who is filled with hate and atleast I will be doing something to serve my country, what have you done mr. comp engineer?
this blog is so boring
i'm sure you have said exactly the same thing hundreds of times before
try and think of something new to say
lbm
I figured you of all people would still be on the preznit's side.
So you want an Iraq that is capable of defending itself and it's borders. How are we going to get there? Send in more troops? We've tried that before. Train the Iraqi's better? Oh yeah we did try to train them but did a pretty shitty job if you ask me.
So please, explain to me why this time, sending in more troops is going to prepare the Iraqi's. How is threatening Iran and Syria going to make Iraq more capable.
The way I see it. We're starting some serious shit over there, and we're in Iraq. So it seems that if anything we're making it more difficult for Iraq to be capable.
Steve.
I actually liked the statement of the now Defense Secretary (You'll have to pardon that, I am highly medicated atm because I just had my wisdom teeth pulled...Gates? RObert I think....)
Regardless of why we went in there, we are in there now. And regardless of who or what was in there before, you have every terrorist organization around the world there now. We know it was wrong to go there. You can rehash it all you want, but all it is is pointless bickering. Argueing over why we went doesn't do anything.
I think the presidents plan has a chance of working IF 2 things happen.
1. It is applied properly. If you leave people in areas you have cleared, then that makes it more likely that they will stay safe. Safety is a neccesity for growth, not just as a country, but as human beings. Maslow's Heirarchy of needs.
2. It would require the Iraqi people to take more responsibility for their own safety and well being.
The reason I don't think this plan will work is reason #2. The Iraqi people arn't going to stand up and do anything for the same reason most Germans didn't do anything during WW2. If you were sitting on the equivalent of a mass grave, would you stand up and do something? Answer that truthfully, because most people wouldn't. We all like to think we would, but in the end I don't think most people would sacrifice their lives, their families lives, and the well being of everyone around them for that. I think securing neighborhoods is a start, but I don't think that will reverse the 50+ years for terror that the Iraqi people have lived through. I honestly think it will take some fundamental grass roots paradigm shift for them to do what needs to be done, and that isn't going to come from any presidential plan, or any number of troops.
PS: I do, however, find it ironic that Lieberman is ridiculed and despised for being for the war, yet during the Clinton administration, Pelossi, Reid, and Kerry all made statements supporting military action in Iraq. Apparently sticking to what you beleive is something that gets to a Scarlet Letter.
Uh.. Lieberman is principled, right? Well - then I'll just have to repost the daily atrocities of the "last honest man" here on my blog.
And you obviously haven't read Juan Cole, if you actually think there are "terrorists organizations" in Iraq.
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